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G4 MLP Anatomy Notes - Nose by Pix3M G4 MLP Anatomy Notes - Nose by Pix3M
Update: Jan 2, 2013: Changed name of series for 'marketability' reasons and added a few more tidbits.
Dec 2 2012: Expanded on ponies resembling wolves, and went deeper into explaining the slant-face problem with FiM-style.
Nov 17 2012: clarified some points.

Was originally gonna write what I know so far about the entire head which includes the eyes, but it seems that would make this tutorial HUGE. I thought I would just cut this down to just talk about the nose which seems to me as one of the more defining characteristics to somebody's pony style.

If there are stupid errors, bad phrasing, or anything else which makes these notes less awesome, don't be afraid to point it out.

Also check out what I've written for
...the eyes: [link]
...the legs: [link]
...the ears, tail, and the core: [link]
...neoteny & acceleration: [link] (Parts of this one is practically nose part 2)

Source for ref pic of

Horse: [link]

Wolf: [link]

Wolf Skull: [link]

Horse skull: [link]
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:iconsteelelover132:
steelelover132 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
 "I'm a hoers" XD
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KopaLeo Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is my solution to the problem of drawing the snout
It makes total sense 3D, but it's harder and less show-accurate, so I don't use it very often.
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Pix3M Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013   Digital Artist
I think it's still a bit slanted, but you're totally right that it's hard. Some of the top-tier pony artists don't get it right.
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KopaLeo Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's why I usually avoid that 3/4 angle. It's really awkward when you realize it. Almost as awkward as the "twisted perspective" of ancient Egyptian art. www.shira.net/culture/kemetic-…
How do you cope with this problem? By avoiding it?
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Pix3M Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013   Digital Artist

This is where simpler, more abstracted art styles come in. Show-style gets away with it because it's a style which people normally don't look closer and realize how silly it is. Instead, I realize they probably made the nose like that to get away with smaller mouth and nose, much like actual cartoonists have great freedoms with regular anatomy to create more interesting characters. More realistic styles depend on better understanding of actual anatomy since people are gonna look at those more literally.

I think my avatar (at the time of writing for anyone who reads this comment in the future) shows where I am at with coping with non-sensical form with 3/4 noses. I find that it's largely trial-and-error but with the understanding that noses should be kept small and the shape should probably should not try to stray too far away from show-style at the same time.

For the most part, the best approach to figuring out this problem is just... do your anatomy homework. Learn from anatomy of both horses and humans.

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Divine-Angel-Heroine Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2014  Student General Artist
Thanks.
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Wait0wat Featured By Owner May 19, 2013
This will prove most useful.
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GlitchedCities Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2013
This is a brilliant tutorial! Should help me stop drawing dog-horses. XD
Just one thing, though; You spelt 'interesting' incorrectly where you said 'I've revealed an interesting mistake' :P
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Clawed-Nyasu Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional General Artist
I've always always preferred making the front plane of the nose visible in 3/4, which means drawing both nostrils like so. This was a great breakdown as to why it makes a drawing look more like a 3d object (which any drawing that is not a flash object is better off aiming for.)
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DestinyDecade Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Amazing. I really like this guide. :)
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blazah99 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2012
An interesting read/tutorial. I always knew that the show did something with the character designs which prevented show-like 3d modeling and now I know exactly what that is. Thank you for that insight. =)
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PennyWereSkunk Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
These are a nice guide :D
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andrewtheOwl Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2012
Them Scribbles...:iconsnipertrollfaceplz:
Honestly though, thank you for all of these tips. These could come in handy.
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PonyMystic Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
lol mr. scribble
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Tearahk Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
These are amazing :D
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Masdragonflare Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice guide :D
I had some problem to deal with the nosetrils myself and the nose/jaw shape.
But I came up with a style that I think is pretty accurate, like this one: [link]
Can you please give you your toughts on it? :happybounce: that'd be great to hear some advice from someone :)
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Clawed-Nyasu Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional General Artist
The faces in that comic have a really nice shape, imo, and definitely look more like 3d objects than show-style.
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Masdragonflare Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh cool, then I think I did a good job, I guess x3
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DAbestpony Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student General Artist
Thanks for that tutorial. I'm sure I'm gonna improve after applying this. :)

Also, Mr. Scribbles is best pony :P
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KasukamaChikyu Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There should be more art of Mr. Scribble.
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Topsy-N Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mr. Scribble is best pony.
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awesomeluna Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Student General Artist
brilliant!!
i cant wait untill the next one.
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Vulpimo Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
The tutorial is great, and I'm sure Mr. Scribble enjoys the changes in his life XD

Although I must say, drawing these noses are remarkably challenging... aren't they?
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Pix3M Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012   Digital Artist
Challenging, but nothing that close referencing can't help.
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Vulpimo Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2012
... I feel like even hours of practice can't help that if you are not naturally talented... and if you are not Mr. Scribbles who has his mouth done for him xDD
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Pink--Champagne Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
I love Mr. Scribble.
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EnderCore Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Cool, if only I could draw :\
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JuliaKitten100 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Magnificent! This is by far the most helpful tutorial I've seen for drawing MLP.:)
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Slypenslyde Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
I like it, some of it made me giggle
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kidomomo Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
<3
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ZetaRESP Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Nice tips, yoh!
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ChordCatcher Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
Very well described! I always wondered why my ponies looked slanty >.< kudos!
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Pirill-Poveniy Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Interesting observations and a really good explanation of why 3D ponies tend to look wonky. ^^
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Lorntak Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Annnnnd downloaded so I can go over every. single. detail later on.

Mr. Scribbles ftw.
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tamalesyatole Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I think Shining Armor is the only adult male pony I've seen in a 3/4 perspective (or at least, in a perspective that shows both of his eyes) and even that makes me think that his farther eye is like a frog eye; bulging eyes.
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Pirill-Poveniy Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Actually quite a few stallions have 3/4 perspective, my avatar is actually based on a 3/4 pose from the show. Some examples of stallions with 3/4 are the doctor pony from Read it and Weep, Thunderlane, one of the stallions in the cider episode and others as well. It's still really weird anatomically though.
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Pix3M Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012   Digital Artist
Nah, I think the other stallions just have a nose large enough so the other eye simply isn't visible at all. Heck, look at the pic of the horse. That's arguable 3/4ths.
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Daedric-Pony Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2012   Digital Artist
Mr. Scribbles seems content with his improvements.
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